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Clock Talk => Other Clocks => : Larry March 04, 2019, 09:14:45 AM

: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry March 04, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
I bought a Hammond Empress at least a year ago, but I only just recently reassembled it.  The reason that it took so long was that the blue tinted glass mirror face looks awful, and to make things worse, I cracked it while removing the hands.  At the time, I made some inquiries about finding a way to replace the glass, but I had no success.  Lately, I have been thinking about possibly buying a small mirror, somehow cutting it to the correct size and drilling a hole though the center and then applying some sort of tint coating, probably a film, perhaps something intended for automotive applications.  Does anyone here have any advice or suggestions?  Needless to say, this is a very desirable model, and I would love to have it looking nice.

Thank You

: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: dudlydoo March 04, 2019, 07:04:32 PM
Don't bother with the sprays. They look crappy for a valuable clock.
Better to hit the antique shops and look for cheaper 1930's deco furniture with blue mirrors on them. End tables, cocktail tables, dressers etc that are priced right (cheap) because the wood is beat up. I have 4 nice ones that I use for decoration on table tops from these sources.
 If the mirror is in good shape and can be removed, and you have good glass cutting skills. No, I am not selling them.
YOU ALSO MUST HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRILL HOLES IN GLASS. Have you ever done this before???
It takes special tools. Practice on scrap glass first before you even buy anything.
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry March 04, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
Thank you for the advice.  I will have to keep my eyes open.  I have never cut or drilled glass, and I know that it is not a simple task.

Larry
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: dudlydoo March 05, 2019, 08:10:40 AM
Well, glass cutters can do the cutting for you cheaply.
Drilling the hole may cost you alot more.
This whole thing may be a bad idea for you.
Ask prices first.
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry March 05, 2019, 02:42:43 PM
I had asked a local glass shop for a price on a small non-tinted mirror with a hole in the center, and they told me that it would be something like $45.  I didn't want to spend that much.  I will have to keep on the lookout for options.  I certainly do not want to spend a fortune on this clock.

Thank You

Larry
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: dudlydoo March 06, 2019, 08:49:31 AM
Wrong direction here. Also a complete waste of money. Glass has to be BLUE. Your clock is worthless with a plain mirror replacement.
You need to have the right glass for the guy to cut for you.
Thats where the price quotations need to start from. Nobody makes blue mirrors anymore.
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: 19and41 March 06, 2019, 04:49:36 PM
I know nothing will look as good as tinted glass, but tinted acrylic can be had and drilled much more reliably.  It could look better than the cracked original.  I saw a number of Ebay listings for the blue mirrored sheet.
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: Larry March 06, 2019, 04:55:11 PM
I know nothing will look as good as tinted glass, but tinted acrylic can be had and drilled much more reliably.  It could look better than the cracked original.  I saw a number of Ebay listings for the blue mirrored sheet.

I hadn't thought of using acrylic.  It might be worth investigating.

Thank You


Larry
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry March 06, 2019, 05:06:52 PM
I did a quick look and saw that there a numerous companies offering mirrored tinted acrylic for reasonable prices like this: https://www.inventables.com/technologies/blue-mirrored-acrylic-sheet (https://www.inventables.com/technologies/blue-mirrored-acrylic-sheet).  I would prefer to visit a business in person so that I can try to match the color.  I will have to try to see if there are any such suppliers in metro Detroit.

Larry
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: dudlydoo March 07, 2019, 08:29:12 AM
Guys, you are forgetting something. BLUE TINTED ACRYLIC MIRROR is what you need.
Sure, that would like ok. Now go find THAT product.
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: 19and41 March 07, 2019, 02:15:52 PM
I always do a search before suggesting that a product could be used.  Here is what I found.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=blue+mirrored+plexiglas&_sacat=0
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: Larry March 07, 2019, 04:25:25 PM
I always do a search before suggesting that a product could be used.  Here is what I found.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=blue+mirrored+plexiglas&_sacat=0

I suspect that those are somewhat darker than the original, but I just ordered one for $13.95, so I will see.  Figuring out how to properly cut and drill this material will be a project, but the sheet I ordered will provide spare material in case of mistakes.

Thank You


Larry
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: dudlydoo March 08, 2019, 08:46:46 AM
Looks good. Get some cheap clear stuff to practice.
You will need special tools for cutting. Drilling is easy.
Cutting would require polishing edges if exposed, but your use will not show a slightly rougher edge.
Telechrons use mostly exposed edge blue glass, so this application would be difficult, as cutting is the easy part, and finishing is NOT.
Example.... cutting double circles in a Luxor.
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry March 08, 2019, 05:21:07 PM
The edges of the mirror glass are hidden in this clock, and the hole is mostly hidden behind the hands, so precision cutting/drilling will not be needed.  The piece I ordered is theoretically large enough for four or more clock faces, so there should be some room for mistakes.  If I can manage to do this well, I might offer a replacement face or two for other Empress owners.  I have a neighbor down the block whose father supposedly does stained glass work, so he probably knows how to do proper cuts.  I might ask my neighbor if his father might be willing to help me.

Larry

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: dudlydoo March 09, 2019, 02:47:17 PM
You use the word GLASS. You do mean acrylic, right?
 Very different materials to cut and drill.
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: Larry March 11, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
The blue mirrored acrylic arrived today.  It is a much deeper blue than the original, but it looks better at any rate.  I bought a plastic cutting tool at Lowes yesterday, so as soon as the plastic arrived, I cut it.  I managed to do a halfway decent job without completely destroying the material, and even without cutting myself, so the clock is back together now.  I found that this material is extremely easy to scratch, so the surface doesn't look as clean as I would like.

Larry

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: dudlydoo March 12, 2019, 01:27:00 PM
It looks great. AND if you have extra material, a second attempt to do a scratch free one in your free time is do-able.
   Didn't the stuff come with a layer of peel off thin clear cover?
It usually does, and you remove the peel off after you do your cutting and drilling.
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry March 12, 2019, 02:46:47 PM
The material did come with a protective plastic cover on the front side, but I did the cutting from the mirror side, and the protective cover stayed with the bigger piece.  I should have cut off the dangling cover and kept it on the piece I cut off.  I didn't realize how easily scratchable this material is.  There is still enough material for at least three or four more clock faces.  If any other collectors need some, we can work an arrangement.

The scratches are not so obvious as the mirror face is a distance behind the thick front beveled clear glass (and my eyesight isn't very good).

I really like clocks (and radios and other things) that scream art deco like this model.


Larry
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: Kid Clock March 12, 2019, 10:58:48 PM
Nice job, dude.   @@*
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: 19and41 March 20, 2019, 01:53:59 PM
That looks great!  The easy scratching is a down side with acrylic.  Other than that, as long as the area where it is used is dust free, it's the best chance one can get at a colored mirror material.
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: gordonf May 30, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
I think the color of that acrylic looks better than the original glass.  Nice work. 
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry May 30, 2019, 08:01:08 PM
I think the color of that acrylic looks better than the original glass.  Nice work.

Thank you.  I think that it is too blue, but it was the choice available, and it does look better that the splotchy, cracked original mirror.


Larry
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: dudlydoo May 31, 2019, 08:36:38 AM
I think the color of that acrylic looks better than the original glass.  Nice work.

Thank you.  I think that it is too blue, but it was the choice available, and it does look better that the splotchy, cracked original mirror.


Larry
Too blue nothing! there is no such thing as TOO BLUE. My original Empress is intensely darker blue that your acrylic. There is always variations in color depending on the day it was done to the degree of fading from the elements and motor heat. You are only going by how much darker your version is against the broken pieces of your old glass.
 Your repair was wonderful, and looks good through the cut beveled edge glass cover.
: Re: Hammond Empress Face Issue
: Larry May 31, 2019, 05:39:26 PM
My original Empress is intensely darker blue that your acrylic. There is always variations in color depending on the day it was done to the degree of fading from the elements and motor heat.

That makes me feel much better about my repair.  Now I can imagine that it might have looked like it does when it left the factory in Chicago ~80 years ago.  This clock is so art deco.  I love it.

Thank You


Larry